With Love And Justice For All

Ep.10 - Race and the Military

Because it is Pearl Harbor Day, our conversation is focused on race and the military. Even though the armed services were integrated more than 70 years ago, it is still a fact that Black people are more likely to be disciplined and less likely to be promoted than whites.

Ep.9 - Nice Racism

So many of us think we are progressive allies, but we might actually be making things worse. Plus, headlines, recommendations, and listener feedback.

Ep.8 - Let’s Talk About Food

Special guest Derrick Weston is a food justice activist. He is committed not just to securing better meals for everyone but to dismantling structures that have exploited workers and consumers. Derrick has spent the last two decades serving churches and faith-based nonprofits in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. He currently manages a community garden on Baltimore’s east side and was recently awarded a Louisville Institute Pastoral Study Project grant to develop a food and faith network.

Ep.7 - Both/And Vs Both Sides

We talk about wanting to be open to “all perspectives,” but are we really? When it comes to racism or systems of oppression, are all perspectives valued? Do we have the capacity for both/and thinking to honor multiple realities? Does every viewpoint carry the same weight?

Ep.6 - Forgive Them, for They Know Not What They Say!

Everyday words and phrases have racist connotations, yet many don’t realize what they are saying. Terms like master bedrooms or blacklists and whitelists in computing are so entrenched we don’t think twice about using them—even though these terms are directly rooted in the nation’s history with chattel slavery.

Ep.5 - The Sum of Us (Pt.2)

Heather McGhee’s illuminating and hopeful new book, The Sum of Us, is predicated on the idea that while the primary victims of racism are people of color who are subjected to it, little will change until white people realize what racism has cost them too. Racism has costs for everyone. It is the common denominator of our most vexing public problems, the core dysfunction of our democracy, and a major component of the spiritual and moral crises that grip us all.

Ep.4 - The Sum of Us (Pt.1)

Heather McGhee’s illuminating and hopeful new book, The Sum of Us, is predicated on the idea that while the primary victims of racism are people of color who are subjected to it, little will change until white people realize what racism has cost them too. Racism has costs for everyone. It is the common denominator of our most vexing public problems, the core dysfunction of our democracy, and a major component of the spiritual and moral crises that grip us all.

Ep.3 - Rest, Restore, Repair, Resist

We talk about why rest is so much more than a spiritual practice. Plus, headlines, recommendations, and listener feedback.

Ep.2 - Don’t Take The Bypass

Are you using spiritual teachings to avoid difficult conversations? You might be on a spiritual bypass. We discuss how spiritual principles can be used to prop up white supremacy, as well as responses from Rev. Ogun’s latest Unity Magazine® feature. Plus, headlines, recommendations, and listener feedback.

Ep.1 - Let’s Get Our HOLY On!

What’s this show all about? Revs. Kelly and Ogun introduce themselves, talk about their new venture project_SANCTUS, and discuss what to expect on With Love and Justice for All.